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top prev next bottom Roll Top Desk -- 367 hours -- Can$ 2715.00 -- Advanced

My wife, Jeannette, wanted to have a roll top desk for a long time. She likes the roll top, but above all lots of little drawers and cubby holes. And then of course some secret compartments. I really don't see the point as I would know where they are, but... when the boss speaks... I obey. As this desk will replace two other storage cabinets, another requirement is that there be some kind of "hutch" on top of it all. The whole desk will be made from red oak that is ready available in our area.

The total time includes approximately 25 hours of studying the plan and preparing the list of materials to buy. Some 20 hours can be contributed to learning how to use the Leigh mortise and tenon jig and the Leigh dovetailing jig, as well as time needed to correct mistakes. The first piece of wood was cut on 7-Feb-2005. The plan was to have this project completely finished by mid May or there about. On May 7th all the woodworking was done, and on May 31st the staining and varnishing was completed.

Compare this with the roll top desk project at the American Sycamore Woodworking School. Tuition and materials is US$ 1,800.00 for an intense 12 days of using professional tools under professional guidance with what looks like an excellent lunch as well. Hours are from 9:00 A.M. until 5:00 P.M., so roughly 96 hours at Can$ 2,200.00, and you take your own built roll top desk home.

Conclusion

Looking at the finished roll top desk I must say that it looks great. It is definitely my best project ever. Although the project had its frustrating moments, it was a great project to do, while I learned a lot in the process. Looking back at the project there were certainly areas where things could have been done more efficient, but on the other hand the time of a retired guy is free. And last but not least, the wife is very happy with it, and that is in the end what counts.

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roll top desk -- the ultimate goal
The ultimate goal, plus hutch on top.
roll top desk -- initial stock
Half of the 3/4" red oak,
all the aspen stock, and
all the 6/4 rough-sawn red oak.
roll top desk -- lower desk side panel
Rails and stiles of lower desk side
panel dry-fitted to verify measurements.
roll top desk -- stock for lower desk side panels sawn and shaped
Stock for lower desk side panels
sawn and shaped .
roll top desk -- partialy glued
Only the two inner stiles are glued.
The rest is only dry-fitted.
roll top desk -- glued and clamped
Glued, clamped and checked for
squareness.
roll top desk -- finished lower desk side panel.
Finished lower desk side panel;
front view.
roll top desk -- finished lower desk side panel
Finished lower desk side panel;
back view.
roll top desk -- stock for back panels of lower desk and hutch sawn and shaped
Stock for back panels of lower desk
and hutch sawn and shaped.
roll top desk -- finished lower desk back panel
Finished lower desk back panel.
roll top desk -- assembled face frames of lower desk
Assembled face frames of lower desk
using mortise and tenon joints.
roll top desk -- assembled centre face frame of lower desk
Assembled centre face frame of
lower desk.
roll top desk -- lower desk dry fitted
Lower desk dry fitted.
roll top desk -- lower desk support frames sawn and shaped
Lower desk support frames sawn
and shaped.
roll top desk -- lower desk dry fitted, ready for glueing
Lower desk dry fitted, ready for
glueing.
roll top desk -- lower desk glued together
Lower desk glued together.
roll top desk -- writing boards
Writing boards.
roll top desk -- slides for drawers mounted
Slides for drawers mounted.
roll top desk -- lower desk completed
Lower desk completed.
roll top desk -- drawers sawn and shaped
Drawers sawn and shaped.
roll top desk -- drawers assembled
Drawers assembled.
roll top desk -- drawers installed
Drawers installed.
roll top desk -- file drawer veneer detail
File drawer veneer detail.
(see also what went wrong)
roll top desk -- another look at the drawers
Another look at the drawers.
roll top desk -- tops finished
Lower desk top finished (tops for upper
desk and hutch in the background).
Notice the slots on the left and right
for mounting the upper desk.
roll top desk -- detail of slot for mounting upper desk
Slot detail underneath the top of
lower desk, using UHMW material.
roll top desk -- upper desk sawn and shaped
Upper desk sawn and shaped.
roll top desk -- upper desk assembled
Upper desk assembled.
roll top desk -- drawer fronts and drawer pulls sawn and shaped
Drawer fronts and drawer pulls
sawn and shaped.
roll top desk -- drawer fronts/pulls mounted
Drawers fronts/pulls mounted.
roll top desk -- pencil tray insert
Pencil tray insert in centre drawer.
roll top desk -- slats and lift bar of tambour sawn and shaped
Slats and lift bar of tambour
sawn and shaped.
roll top desk -- tambour finished
Tambour finished.
roll top desk -- sides and doors of hutch sawn and shaped
Side panels and doors of hutch
sawn and shaped.
roll top desk -- hutch partialy glued
Hutch partialy glued.
roll top desk -- hutch completed
Hutch completed.
roll top desk -- main desk completed
Main desk complete
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roll top desk -- main desk completed
Main desk completed.
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roll top desk -- main desk completed
Main desk complete
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roll top desk -- main desk completed
Main desk completed.
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roll top desk -- storage dry fitted
Storage dry-fitted.
roll top desk -- storage compartments finished
Storage compartments finished.
roll top desk -- drawer parts sawn and shaped
Drawer part sawn and shaped.
roll top desk -- drawer dovetailing details
Drawer dovetailing details.
roll top desk -- Some finished drawers
Some finished drawers.
roll top desk -- drawers in place
Drawers in place
(some knobs still missing).
roll top desk -- what was left over
A pile of cutoffs, discards, test pieces,
once-off jigs, and not shown the 15 to
20 garbage bags with saw dust and
shavings.
roll top desk -- stained and varnished components
Stained and varnished components.
roll top desk -- complete view
Complete view.
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roll top desk -- inside view
Inside view.
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roll top desk -- side view
Side view.
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roll top desk -- front view
Front view.
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roll top desk -- the boss takes possession
The boss takes possession...
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roll top desk -- and I am forgotten already
...and I am forgotten already.
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How others did it

an other roll top desk
an other roll top desk
Mark Janaes made this beautiful roll top desk using the same American Furniture plans as I did. This is what he had to say, "Let me say thank you for documenting and publishing your experience building your roll top desk. I have been looking for roll top plans for a while, and your web site convinced me to select the American Furniture plans. Your information gives me the confidence to take on this project. In particular, it is great to read about the critical remarks you have pointed out in the plans, and to see your enhancements."

And here is Mark again when he finished his desk, "I can't thank you enough for posting your experiences building your desk. They were far more valuable than the instructions that came with the plans. I probably would not have attempted such a project without your website."

top prev next bottom Plans, Drawings, Sketches (inches)

The plan is from the American Furniture Design Co., plan #151, Roll Top Desk. You can order the plan directly from them. It comes with a clear large drawing and 13-page instruction manual.

Critical remarks about the plan

The importance of studying drawings, plans, instructions, parts list, etc., can not be emphasized enough. Working up to a project like this one, study it for several hours over the course of one or two months. These are the critical notes we want to shared before you embark on this project.

In other words we were not particularly impressed with the instruction manual we got.

Changes made to plan

In our construction we made several changes to the back of the lower desk. We wanted the vertical lines to match more with those of the back of the upper desk.

For the face frames we use mortise and tenon joints instead of dowels to connect the rails to the stiles. For the 1/2" tenons we added 1" to the length of those rails.

We used 1/4" space balls to provide for expansion and contraction of the panels, while at the same time preventing rattling of the panels. The panels have to be 5/32" smaller on all sides, or 5/16" smaller in width and height.

According to the plan the storage compartments with small drawers and cubby holes is 12-1/2" high and 7-1/2" deep. We changed that to 8-1/2" deep plus 1/4" plywood backing. Although it fits perfect, we recommend that you choose a depth between 8" and 8-1/4" plus plywood backing for a slightly better look and to provide enough space for the knobs that protrude from the centre drawer of the storage compartment. For the drawers we used rabbited drawer fronts and half blind dovetails.

Adding a hutch

The hutch sits on top of the upper desk, and measures 50" wide, 11-3/4" deep and 26-3/4" high. The left and right section is 13-1/4" wide, with two adjustable glass shelves, and covered with a beveled glass door. The glass in each door features a decorative sandblasted rose, which was very much appreciated by my wife. The centre has an arched top and two adjustable glass shelves. The top is the same as the top of the upper desk: 13-1/4" by 51-1/2". The back panel has the same lay-out as the back panel of the lower desk. The total height of the desk is 76-3/4".

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No detailed material list, as that can be found on the drawing and in the construction manual. The desk will be made from red oak. The plan calls for poplar for the drawers and internal frame work. However, poplar is not available in our area, so we will use aspen instead -- I can even say this with a straight face --. Interestingly enough both poplar and aspen have the botanical name "populus". Got that?

The hardware we will get from Lee Valley. This is our shopping list:

1" x 8" (3/4" x 7-1/4") red oak 158 linear feet
1" x 8" (3/4" x 7-1/4") red oak
(to be planed down to 1/2" thickness)
43 linear feet
6/4" rough sawn red oak
(to be planed down to 1" thickness)
80 board feet
1" x 8" (3/4" x 7-1/4") aspen 22 linear feet
1" x 6" (3/4" x 5-1/2") aspen 45 linear feet
3/4" red oak plywood for writing boards 2 x 4 feet
1/2" birch plywood for filing drawer 2 x 4 feet
1/4" red oak plywood for drawer bottoms 4 x 8 feet
medium weight denim, large enough to end up
with a pre-shrunk size of 47" x 28"
1 piece
1/4" aluminium rod for file drawer 2 feet
small knobs for storage drawers 12 pieces
full extension 26" zinc slides 8 pairs
space balls (about 8 per panel) about 300
table top mounting fasteners, 3/4" #10 screws 14 + 8 + 10
22-1/2" x 9-3/16" bevelled glass for hutch doors;
decorated with a sand-blasted rose
2 panes
23-3/8" x 10-1/8" glass shelves for hutch centre 2 panes
11-11/16" x 10-1/8" glass shelves for hutch sides 4 panes
brass magnetic catch for hutch doors 2 pieces
lift off hinges with finial for hutch doors 2 pairs
tambour glue from van Dyke's Restorers less than 500ml
Acrylic Urethane Varnish, satin finish 1 gallon

You are welcome to have a look at my own detailed materials list, a MS Excel2000 spreadsheet. Although I have done my utmost to keep the spreadsheet up-to-date, it is possible that it may contain minor errors.

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Followed the drawing and the instruction manual. These are notes on how I did some of the construction.

Building the tambour

One challenge was making the raised panels for the first time, and the other challenge was making the tambour from scratch.

Making the slats is easy. Take a 3/4" board, sand it on both sides, and make sure that the edges are parallel and run through the jointer. Then round over one edge with a 3/8" round over bit on both sides. On the table saw rip the half round edge at a thickness of 1/2". Run the half round slat, using a little jig, one pass over the jointer to smooth the back and to ensure that it can run free in the grooves of the upper desk side panels. The little jig is just a 3/4" by 2" board, with a stop block at the end and with the same length as the slats. Next run the sawn edge of the remaining board over the jointer, and start rounding over again. I used five boards at the time to speed up the process. Created 38 slats and kept 35. The plan calls for 34 slats, but I wanted to build the tambour with 35 -- just in case --. I can later cut off one slat if it is indeed too much. Sand the slats, ease over the edges, and make them free of dust.

For fabric I used a medium weight denim, washed it so it is pre-shrunk, and ironed it. I found very little helpful information how to glue the slats on the denim. In the end I followed the instructions that came with the tambour glue (a PVC-E glue) I bought from Van Dyke's Restorers in the USA. Apparently they have a quick way of applying glue to all slats, but I did it one slat at a time.

  1. Cut the denim to a width of at least 2" less than the slat length. Spread the denim on a flat surface and clam the bottom 3/4" to 1" of denim under a straight edge. This excess material will be used later to attach the lift bar. Secure the top edge of the denim with duct tape just so that the denim flat but not overly stretched. For the left edge of the slats clamp another piece of straight wood perpendicular to the bottom straight edge and about 1" to the left of the edge of the denim. Lay out the slats in the order you want to place them, back side up.
  2. Apply glue to the back of the first slat leaving 1" inch on each end without glue. Let the glue set for a few minutes while doing the next step. Apply about the same amount of glue as you would do for a normal wood joint.
  3. Apply glue to the back of the next slat leaving 1" inch on each end without glue. Let the glue set for a few minutes while placing the other slat on the denim. Push the slat against the left edge and the bottom edge or slat and press down while gradually lowering the right end of the slat. Apply pressure on the slat with a roller or rubbing hard with a towel. Repeat this step for the next slat, and so on.
  4. Let everything dry for at least one hour after the last slat is glued before handling the tambour. Attach the lift bar with glue to the excess denim at the bottom. Trim any excess denim at the top and the bottom. The tambour needs 24 hours to cure before you should place it in the upper desk and operate it.

My concern was that glueing with fabric would be messy, but the method from Van Dyke's Restorers makes it an easy and clean job.

My other concern was about the flexibility of the tambour. I could see that it would bend easily towards the fabric side, but I had a problem imagining it bending the other way as is needed in the S-curve of the upper desk. After the tambour was glued up I found that there is just enough flexibility when using the above construction method.

I hope that this helps future tambour builders.

Building sequence

In case you like to know

This desk is a heavy beast as the next figures will show. These figures include all hardware.

hutch -- door and shelf glass
hutch -- body and top
hutch -- complete
10 kg (22 lbs)
28-1/4 kg (62-3/4 lbs)
38-1/2 kg (84-3/4 lbs)
upper desk -- storage compartments and drawers
upper desk -- tambour
upper desk -- body and top
upper desk -- complete
21 kg (46-1/4 lbs)
6-1/2 kg (14-1/4 lbs)
23-1/4 kg (51-1/4 lbs)
50-3/4 kg (111-3/4 lbs)
lower desk -- top
lower desk -- drawers, slides and writing boards
lower desk -- body
lower desk -- complete
18-1/4 kg (40-1/4 lbs)
42-1/4 kg (93 lbs)
54 kg (119 lbs)
114-1/2 kg (252-1/4 lbs)
TOTAL WEIGHT DESK 203-3/4 kg (448-3/4 lbs)

For the staining and varnishing the desk was taken apart into 57 separate wooden pieces (bodies, tambour, drawers, drawer fronts, drawer handles, tops and storage unit) in order to do a proper job.

What went wrong

There is always something that goes wrong during a project. Sometimes you can find a quick fix and sometimes you throw the piece away and start all over again. Here are some of the mishaps during this project:

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